Rank and Guilds: A Paradox - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Trevor · Nov 13, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

If it's a GvG guild and they denied you because of your lack of HA experience, they're not worth it.

Rank is little to no indication of skill. I've played with some rank 9 people who are absolutely horrible at the game. The only thing it shows is time invested in the game, regardless if that time is spent learning how to play balanced or IWAYing.

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 14, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

< see guild name ^^

Oceans Fury · Nov 21, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Rank is an indication of general knowledge and experience, yea there are exceptions with some very, very stupid people, but generally the people who are r6+ seem to have a better understanding of tactics and the HA experience in general

Not A Fifty Five · Nov 23, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

eh.. I'm starting a new guild and am accepting anyone I don't see why not o.O. Guild have 100 member limit, I bet less than half of even the greatest guilds are in the 90s. So why not have them join? I can see people not allowing low rankers/less skilled players to gvg since you have to work to rverse screwups... but HA? HA is just to screw around and have fun

Warskull · Nov 26, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

Higher ranked guilds have a lot of people trying to get into them. Thus they'll ask for rank ect. as a filter. A lot of people try to apply to top 50 guilds with little to no PvP experience. When a guild is recruiting they usually need someone with experience. Any player worth their salt knows that rank, glad points, and champ points mean next to nothing, however they do show that someone at least played PvP before.

tomcruisejr · Nov 26, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47

People always assume that having a high rank means the ability to play every possible character build combination and to adapt easily to a team. Most of the time, that's not the case.

It all depends on a guild. If a guild want to build a solid, cohesive team from scratch, having a decent rank wont even be a requirement. But people are impatient and want to win asap so yea, rank at least helps them weeding out players.

In defense of rank, it doesn't matter the build you got your rank from coz the pvp basics/theories and the tactics are always the same.

Alleji · Nov 27, 2006, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five

Guild have 100 member limit, I bet less than half of even the greatest guilds are in the 90s.

Half? 90's? Way off.

Almost all of the good PvP guilds have less than 20 members. Obviously, I can't tell for certain since I haven't sampled the top 100 of the ladder myself, but if you were to do that, I bet you'd find the average of a top guild to be about 15.

Why? You don't need a lot of people to win GvG or HA. You only need 8 that play at the same time. In fact, having a lot of people would be counter-productive because you wouldn't have a constant team of 8, and if you did have an "alpha-team" in a guild of 50, the other ~40 people would feel excluded and really have no reason to be in the guild.

l Artemis Entreri l · Dec 23, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Sometimes a high rank means that you can play multiple roles ,though. I got my Rank 4 from hopping from Incoming Paragon to Thumper to Warder to Monk to Searing Flames. i consider myself good at all of these roles too, although im not the best monk.

Hauki · Jan 09, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

I think about half of us just have deer, the rest wolves. I might be the highest with around 2k fame, most of it from ~18 months ago when HA was actually somewhat competitive. We prefer to GvG, and for the most part, rank means shit there.

sage tank · Jan 09, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Well, rank does matter, but not that overwhelming that you would just barr out a entire population of player. Chances are, if you randomly chose a rank9 guy and a rank 0 guy, the rank 9 guy would probably be likely to be more experience. But still, rank system is pretty inaccurate in general, I played for almost a year and half now and still I'm rank 1. I never bothered to go HA because guild I been in are just GvGers, we either TA or GvG. I hate farming, thats why if I know that if I can't hold the hall, why would I want go farm rank points.

Almighty Burritos · Jan 12, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

because if a pvp guild just recruited any random nice guy, they wouldnt know for sure if they are experienced pvpers, I mean trying out every random johnny wamo isnt fun, and its a waste of time.

That is very true, but even Johnny Wamo can learn how to play the game. For instance, at the time, I've played guild wars for about a year, and I asked my friend if she wanted to play. She said sure, since I play it all the time, and she wants to know what's so cool about it. She starts off-very rough start, i might add. She was constantly complaining about how she can't play and she sucks at it. That was 4 months ago. Now, she know more and plays better than me!

Conclusion: sure, you got your nut-cases that can never be taught a thing, but out of all those random characters, you'll find a real gem, and you'll never find this gem unless you go out and sift through the rocks.

And I agree with the rank problem. I am just as good as the guy with 3 rank, but he gets into a group instead of me, cause the group thinks he's all that. Well, sucks for them, they are the ones getting screwed. lol

Priest Of Sin · Jan 24, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

My alliance had a massive discussion on this, and it was quite funny, really.

Me: Man, rank discrimination blows...
Guy1: maybe YOU blow :P
Me: pshh, I dont blow, I suck.
Guy1: that's what SHE said! Lawl.
(get's a little perverted here, so i'll edit some of it out)
Guy2: Wtf is wrong with you people? And why are you complaining about rank, Priest?
Me: Because I just got booted out of a R3 group because i'm R2...
Guy2: Lawl, R3 groups are just as bad as Pugs, man. They blow and never win halls.
Me: I want to win halls...
Guy2: let's go win halls then. FORMING POKEWAY, SYKO HALL!

and so we ran pokeway, and let it be known throughout the land that I got 45 more fame xD

in any case, I don't respect a R3 player more than a R0 at all... R6+ is when it starts to show that you know your crap.

Zui · Jan 24, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

R6+ is when it starts to show that you know your crap.

You know, I played Heroes' Ascent alot with [cow] over this weekend... At one point we decided to PUG another Monk, because the guy we had had to go. So, we got a rank 10 guy to play it. He was already on a Monk, so we thought he'd probably be good. I first ask him to run LoD Monk. He then pings a bar with LoD, and 7 other healing skills. We give him another bar, that sucks much less... We get in, and get rolled by some scrub team on the underworld because he only used about three skills the entire match, and used them all poorly. One of which was Spirit Bond, on a guy not taking any damage at all.

I've also played with rank 7s who say "who takes ghost?" on Unholy Temples, and once we win on Scared Temples say "aww hallskip" when we go to the Hall of Heroes...

Basicly, rank doesn't mean you know anything. It just means that you have a better chance of knowing somthing than a guy who isn't ranked/as high ranked...

Sentience · Jan 25, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55

Rank, like every single other title, shows time spent before everything else. Champion, Fame, Cartographer, it's just a matter of time needed to achieve the titles. On our application format I do ask about rank/fame, but to be honest the only thing I honestly check on that big ole' app is previous guilds, Balth Faction, and reason for leaving said guilds. In HA I've pugged some ridiculously bad R9+ Monks, and pugged some very good R5 Monks. But high rank does indeed sometimes make a difference, I definitely get a lot more fame when I play with Forgot The Ghostlyyy than I would a R6+ PUG. In conclusion...

Rank/Titles=Mostly time spent, the addition of any skill whatsoever is solely up to the person and their background as a player.

some guy · Feb 01, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

I recently joined a HA guild, the people are friendly (they don't care about rank, as long as you are good), and we do HA a lot every night.

Another thing is, new players are discouraged from trying HA (and many of them are good pvpers) because of rank discrimination, when the old HA players quit, who will carry our territories to hoh?

Nov 26, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47	#26
tomcruisejr Banned Join Date: Apr 2005	People always assume that having a high rank means the ability to play every possible character build combination and to adapt easily to a team. Most of the time, that's not the case. It all depends on a guild. If a guild want to build a solid, cohesive team from scratch, having a decent rank wont even be a requirement. But people are impatient and want to win asap so yea, rank at least helps them weeding out players. In defense of rank, it doesn't matter the build you got your rank from coz the pvp basics/theories and the tactics are always the same. Last edited by tomcruisejr; Nov 26, 2006 at 07:50 AM // 07:50..

Nov 13, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50	#21
Trevor Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Team Flamingo [FFs] Profession: E/Mo	If it's a GvG guild and they denied you because of your lack of HA experience, they're not worth it. Rank is little to no indication of skill. I've played with some rank 9 people who are absolutely horrible at the game. The only thing it shows is time invested in the game, regardless if that time is spent learning how to play balanced or IWAYing.

Nov 14, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15	#22
hyro yamaguchi Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: The Netherlands Profession: Mo/Me	< see guild name ^^

Nov 21, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10	#23
Oceans Fury Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: [WnC] Profession: E/Mo	Rank is an indication of general knowledge and experience, yea there are exceptions with some very, very stupid people, but generally the people who are r6+ seem to have a better understanding of tactics and the HA experience in general

Nov 23, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00	#24
Not A Fifty Five Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: Creating guild Profession: Mo/	eh.. I'm starting a new guild and am accepting anyone I don't see why not o.O. Guild have 100 member limit, I bet less than half of even the greatest guilds are in the 90s. So why not have them join? I can see people not allowing low rankers/less skilled players to gvg since you have to work to rverse screwups... but HA? HA is just to screw around and have fun

Nov 26, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32	#25
Warskull Site Contributor Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: [out]	Higher ranked guilds have a lot of people trying to get into them. Thus they'll ask for rank ect. as a filter. A lot of people try to apply to top 50 guilds with little to no PvP experience. When a guild is recruiting they usually need someone with experience. Any player worth their salt knows that rank, glad points, and champ points mean next to nothing, however they do show that someone at least played PvP before.

Dec 23, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45	#28
l Artemis Entreri l Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Belarusian Standard Time [BST] Profession: A/	Sometimes a high rank means that you can play multiple roles ,though. I got my Rank 4 from hopping from Incoming Paragon to Thumper to Warder to Monk to Searing Flames. i consider myself good at all of these roles too, although im not the best monk.

Jan 09, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40	#29
Hauki Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Abq. Guild: Mostly Harmless [MH] Profession: Mo/	I think about half of us just have deer, the rest wolves. I might be the highest with around 2k fame, most of it from ~18 months ago when HA was actually somewhat competitive. We prefer to GvG, and for the most part, rank means shit there.

Jan 09, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39	#30
sage tank Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Profession: W/Mo	Well, rank does matter, but not that overwhelming that you would just barr out a entire population of player. Chances are, if you randomly chose a rank9 guy and a rank 0 guy, the rank 9 guy would probably be likely to be more experience. But still, rank system is pretty inaccurate in general, I played for almost a year and half now and still I'm rank 1. I never bothered to go HA because guild I been in are just GvGers, we either TA or GvG. I hate farming, thats why if I know that if I can't hold the hall, why would I want go farm rank points.

Jan 24, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37	#32
Priest Of Sin Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne. Guild: Live For The Swarm [ZERG] Profession: Me/N	My alliance had a massive discussion on this, and it was quite funny, really. Me: Man, rank discrimination blows... Guy1: maybe YOU blow :P Me: pshh, I dont blow, I suck. Guy1: that's what SHE said! Lawl. (get's a little perverted here, so i'll edit some of it out) Guy2: Wtf is wrong with you people? And why are you complaining about rank, Priest? Me: Because I just got booted out of a R3 group because i'm R2... Guy2: Lawl, R3 groups are just as bad as Pugs, man. They blow and never win halls. Me: I want to win halls... Guy2: let's go win halls then. FORMING POKEWAY, SYKO HALL! and so we ran pokeway, and let it be known throughout the land that I got 45 more fame xD in any case, I don't respect a R3 player more than a R0 at all... R6+ is when it starts to show that you know your crap.

Jan 25, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55	#34
Sentience Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I hate ppl who put stupid locations here Guild: Jelly Toasts [jT], Team Love [kisu] Profession: W/	Rank, like every single other title, shows time spent before everything else. Champion, Fame, Cartographer, it's just a matter of time needed to achieve the titles. On our application format I do ask about rank/fame, but to be honest the only thing I honestly check on that big ole' app is previous guilds, Balth Faction, and reason for leaving said guilds. In HA I've pugged some ridiculously bad R9+ Monks, and pugged some very good R5 Monks. But high rank does indeed sometimes make a difference, I definitely get a lot more fame when I play with Forgot The Ghostlyyy than I would a R6+ PUG. In conclusion... Rank/Titles=Mostly time spent, the addition of any skill whatsoever is solely up to the person and their background as a player.

Feb 01, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34	#35
some guy Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SPAWN CAMPING YOUR HOUSE Guild: We Speed Clear H O H [ HsC]	I recently joined a HA guild, the people are friendly (they don't care about rank, as long as you are good), and we do HA a lot every night. Another thing is, new players are discouraged from trying HA (and many of them are good pvpers) because of rank discrimination, when the old HA players quit, who will carry our territories to hoh?